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Posted by Adrian from IP: 70.125.196.115 on 05/24/11
pharr.tx. us.

has any one used or seen these tubes its a company out of canada it has disposable cartridge with needles like hawk but much more inexpensive and the hawk cartridge works on them as well it has stainless tube with a disposable tip and needle if any one has any info or input please share



 
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Posted by superman from IP: 24.150.209.10 on 05/25/11
canada

yeah I know a few people who use them, pretty cool idea, rather than have 3 or 4 machines set up . you can swap out the tips instead of the machines. the grip comes with a needle bar with a rubber type tip on the end that fits into the replacable tips. one cool thing is that the ink stays in the tips, and dont ride up the tube. I havent heard any complaints from them. here is a link to their web site.

http://www.ttechtattoo.com/


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Posted by El Dugi from IP: 72.109.166.241 on 06/27/11
Sacramento, CA, USA

We love them at our shop!!! We been loving the hawk and the cartriges, but t tech just made it possible for use to use it on nearly all tattoos we do. Its basically the same price as using disposable tubes now plus the time we save setting up, breaking down, sanitizing an cleaning tubes etc might even be cheaper than original setup! I see big things comin from this...the setup for non-hawk machines is bad ass. Tho I still prefer bug pins for black and grey but started using the t tech tips with my stigmas and mithra needles as well as the cartridges. Havnt used them much with coils tho cause hawk is a killer liner. These cartridges are so accurate with the guides that hold the needle to the back of the tube so there is no wobble and no unnecessary movement from the needle. Causes very little trauma to the skin, almost no redness!!! Check out the koi in color an phoenix in b&g I did recently with hawk. Photo are immediately after. I hope mithra and other needle makers start producing these cartridges but honestly been really digin the groupings. T tech has definitely shown that they are not that expensive to make and cuttin off the bs monopoly on these cartridges. definitely worth checking out if you haunt yet.

http://el-dugi.com


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Posted by jason II from IP: 188.37.25.104 on 06/27/11
france

how do you adjust the needle that go out of the tube?
some people work by the needle,otheres like the needle go out ...
i think that this needles work good for rotarys ,but not for coils with long strokes


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Posted by El Dugi from IP: 97.156.158.243 on 06/29/11
Sacramento, CA, USA

You simply adjust it the same way you would for the normal setup. Just clamp the tube higher or lower in the machines tube vice.

The hawk you can adjust it my merely Turing the hawk tube, it clicks.


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Posted by Beg Birdal from IP: 74.138.211.99 on 06/30/11
Louisville, ky, usa

T Tech needles are cheap Chinese copies, and also they are NOT STERELIZED at all. Good Luck in using them!


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Posted by El Dugi from IP: 97.159.44.110 on 07/01/11
Sacramento, CA, USA

What is your reference for this Information?


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Posted by Joe from IP: 74.138.211.99 on 07/02/11
Louisville, ky, usa

The same company was selling unsterol needless in Europe, and in 2009 they were sued in Spain and banned form the European market. That's why they couldn't get to the USA, but made it to Canada, just like some of the drug companies.. I'll email you the article.


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Posted by El Dugi from IP: 97.159.136.216 on 07/04/11
Sacramento, CA, USA

Yes please email it or post link. Gracias


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Posted by jason II from IP: 46.189.162.248 on 07/04/11
france

the hawk needles is very expensive,the y want to make lots of money.
this t-tech company got the needles in less than half of the price.
i dont know if the needles is sterilezed or not,if not sterilezed by tourself and even that you save lot of money.
the t tech grip let you use hawk needles in every machines ,perfect for those how like coils
the hawk motor is not very powerfull,so you can put this grip in another rotary


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Posted by ttech from IP: 69.165.244.105 on 07/04/11
canada

http://www.flickr.com/photos/64835423@N03/?saved=1

We claim that EZ needle cartridges are being EO sterilized and packaged individually.

These photos will let you know how we make our needles.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/64835423@N03/?saved=1


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Posted by jason II from IP: 93.108.72.99 on 07/05/11
france

great photos for those that talk shit about ttech
HAWK is bettere reduce the prices or your needles go out:-)


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Posted by ttechtattoo@gmail.com from IP: 69.165.244.105 on 07/05/11
canada

EZ disposable tattoo needle cartridges used with EZ Grips are compatible with all coil tattoo machines and conventional rotary tattoo machines.

In the tattoo needles market, conventional needles are the most used needles. The cost of conventional needles is much lower than needle cartridges. In order for tattoo artist to accept needle cartridges T-Tech makes a low profit and low price policy.
Our low price policy might make The Cheyenne Hawk Company and their distributors unhappy because EZ Needle Cartridges are compatible with the Cheyenne Hawk machines.
T-tech EZ needle cartridges are not a copy of Cheyenne Hawk needle cartridges. It is a new Innovative Design. There are several technical features that Cheyenne Hawk needle cartridges do not have in comparison to T-Tech needles. We designed our EZ needle cartridges to be compatible with the Cheyenne Hawk machines for tattoo artists that want/need more options of needles.
T-tech tattoo device Inc is a legal Canadian Company, and we have always been a Canadian company. Cheyenne hawk company claims they have a patent in USA for their needle cartridges. We would like to resolve the patent dispute legally with the Cheyenne hawk company. As if right now before the patent issue is resolved. We suggest artists who use Cheyenne hawk machine in USA to buy original Cheyenne hawk needles. We welcome artists in Canada, Europe and other countries to buy and use our needles cartridges and grips. We also welcome artists in USA to buy our grips, tips and other products.
Almost all premade tattoo needles and plastic tubes on the market around the world are made in China, the needles in Cheyenne hawk cartridges are made in China too. We have visited almost all tattoo needle manufactures in China, and we know the hygienic condition of these manufactures. We have not found any conventional tattoo needles manufactures more hygienic than our needle cartridge manufacture. T-tech guarantees hygienic tattooing. T-tech EZ needle cartridges are being EO sterilized. The cost of EO gas sterilizing is only about 2% of the cost of the needle. The cost of the packaging and sterilized packaging material is over 10 times the cost of the EO gas sterilizing. It would not make sense for us not to EO gas sterilize our needles.
These photos will let you know how we make our needles.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/64835423@N03/?saved=1

We do not distribute Cheyenne hawk needles and machines. There are photos with Cheyenne hawk machine mounted with T-tech EZ needle cartridge on our web site. That is just to illustrate our needle cartridge are compatible with Cheyenne hawk machine, because many artists ask us if our needle cartridge fit the Cheyenne hawk machine. We do not believe posting these photos is illegal. Cheyenne hawk have request us to take off these photos from our website. We understand their feelings. However we will take off these photos after they stop saying our needles are not sterilized.


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Posted by jason II from IP: 87.103.34.254 on 07/16/11
france

ok,i try the t-tech needlee ,they are much better soldered than the hawk,no hooked needles in a box of 20.
the only problem is inside the cartedrige the rubber band dont result so well as the rubber in the hawk needle.
the t-tech is very soft ,you save some volts but the needle dont run so good
my advice for t-tech guys,is that change the rubber just like the hawk and thats it the hawk have to reduce the price for half


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Posted by Darkta2 from IP: 217.10.38.195 on 07/20/11

have any one tired this things with coil machine? how it is works? is it have any problem when machine backing up? is it works same?


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Posted by seawallpaul from IP: 98.200.93.119 on 08/24/11
Galveston - Tomball

Stand up company, great groupings with competitive pricing.


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Posted by stone from IP: 84.119.49.55 on 08/31/11
Austria

The problem of the t-tech cartrige design is that they don´t have a rubber membrane to avoid the flow of ink through the backside of the cartrige. That involves the risk of cross-contamination.


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Posted by ZYM from IP: 193.247.250.47 on 08/31/11
DIETIKON,SWITZERLAND

YES BUT MUCH BETTER PROBLEM IS THAT CHEYENNE GRIP IS NOT AUTOCLAVABLE AND IT MEANS
THAT THIS MACHINE IS NOT 100% SAFE.
WHEN THEY FIRST STARTED WITH THE MACHINE
IN THE MANUAL WAS EXPLAINED THAT YOU CAN AUTOCLAVE GRIPS AND AFTER A TIME THEY SAID YOU CANNOT AUTOCLAVE THEM.
COVER THE MACHINE WITH PLASTIC AND LATEX
SLEEVE IS NOT AN ALTERNATIVE AN IT IS NOT 100%
HYGIENIC......


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Posted by James from IP: 119.224.57.57 on 08/31/11
NZ

Don't know where the last post got the idea that you can't sterilize the cheyenne hawk grip from?. I own a hawk and have been using it for over a year with 1 single grip and autoclaving it every day with no problems.

Also I have used both T-Tech needles and Cheyenne hawk needles. Cheyenne hawk needles are good but expensive considering there made in China the same as T-Tech and also cheyenne have a bad rate of faulty needles. T-Tech on the other hand I have been using for a few months and not a single needle has been faulty. Yes the needle cartridge has no rubber seal but have you ever opened one after use??? I have and no problems with this so called back flow and cross contamination, And not sterile??? all those people out there that are using coil machines and pre-made needles these are also made in china so why would they not sterilize the t-tech needles. What a stupid comment!

In my opinion I would suggest that Cheyenne would make there needles more consistent and more cost effective. Im not saying they need to be as cheap as t-tech but be competitive and reliable.


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Posted by stone from IP: 84.119.45.156 on 08/31/11
Austria

Ever tried to put a coil machine into an autoclave? You touch the frame and the coils day by day . The surface of the hawk is much easier to clean than any coil maschine. The hygienic requirement in Austria is that only parts of the machine that touches the skin have to be sterilized. No difference if it is a steel tube or a hawk cartridge. In my opinion the hawk is a much saver and cleaner solution that any other tattoo machine.


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Posted by ZYM from IP: 193.247.250.39 on 08/31/11
DIETIKON,SWITZERLAND

GRIP NOT MACHINE. CHEYENNE IS DESIGNED AS A COSMETIC MACHINE NOT AS A TATTOO MACHINE.
SO YOU NEVER STERILIZED GRIPS BEFORE YOU STARTED WITH CHEYENNE?


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Posted by stone from IP: 84.119.45.156 on 08/31/11
Austria

No I do not sterilize the hawk grip. I talked to our hygienic expert, he confirmed that it is ok if you change the cartridges and keep the grip clean with cleaning and disinfection solutions. My autoclave is no longer in action. It is the law in Austria that studios must be checked by an hygenic expert once a year.


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Posted by El Dugi from IP: 97.159.16.102 on 09/09/11
Sacramento, CA, USA

T tech has bugpins an other groupings now! Fuckin love it, I can't wait to get a hold of them. My prayers have been answered lol Sorry Mithra an TatSoul:( might never see ya again.

Has anyone used these yet? How do they compare? How tight are they?


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Posted by rampart from IP: 99.109.88.133 on 09/10/11

they're creative but the quality of the needles are not good. Had so many barbed needles and not consistent. Interesting concept but definitely lacking. Was not happy with them. I'll stick to my regular supply companies ie eikon, tatsoul, kingpn etc.


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Posted by ttechtattoo@gmail.com from IP: 69.165.244.105 on 09/10/11
canada

Hi, rampart. We know you work for tatsoul. And we have not sold any single needle to you.
I do not know why that El Dugi mentions Tatsoul and Mithra. He does not work for t-tech. The message post by EI Dugi is not an AD of T-tech.

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Posted by Joan Zuniga from IP: 76.109.182.236 on 09/11/11
Miami FL

I have see a lot of people hating in this product, but to me this company create something really original and with a great funtion for any tattoo artist, you can use this tubes with any machine, coil or rotary or even with conventional needless or cartridges. I think they should post more serious coments, the artist that use it already for the real people interesting in use it, and stop that fucking game using the page of a famous tattoo artist to advertise and have that stupid war trying to sell more. I will apreciate if someone post more info about quality of this product, not the people from diferents sides having a war for sell


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Posted by rofleimer@gmx.de from IP: 217.6.207.154 on 09/15/11
Alzey

So the t-tech tips don`t have a rubber cardidge seal? Doesn't ruin the hawk motor in the length of time??? I consider to use the t-tech needles, but if they don't have any sealing, all the color and blood and everything can just enter the machine...? Or am i wrong with this?


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Posted by javierduranjr from IP: 71.136.33.153 on 09/15/11
Escondido Ca

I recently tried a 9 round shader and a 7 curved magnum from ttech and thought they were a little awkward. The cartridges have some sort of spring inside to keep the needle connected to the needle bar. I had to turn up the voltage on my power supply because of it and caused my machine to sound differently. Im gonna try them out more by using up the ones I have left and hope to get better results because I really like the Idea of having less machines and still quickly change to different needle groupings.


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Posted by jduran85@gmail.com from IP: 71.136.33.153 on 09/15/11
Escondido Ca

Oh and I didnt have a problem with ink going up the needle bar and onto the machine. I use coil machines.Not a 100% sure if the cartridges have a seal though to prevent ink from leaking from the back.I'll check tomorrow when I go to the shop.


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Posted by El Dugi from IP: 97.183.138.51 on 09/16/11
Sacramento, CA, USA

I mention them because that's all I actually use, an still use cause I broke my hawk. If they can compate then im on board. Stripped those lil fuckin Allen bolts! Do not un screw the rear of hawk machine with out taking out the allen it will sheer off the jack connection haha

Oh well still havnt got the bugpins, any one try them yet? Still curious. I've never had a single barbed needle yet nor have my coworkers as far as I know. One or 2 was soldered weird tho.

Coils do splatter up, check the bottom of your A Bar...


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Posted by Pain Inc from IP: 68.146.142.243 on 09/18/11
Calgary

T-Tech Needles are not sealed, and yes there is the potential of the ink and blood flowing back into the grip, and machine.

I found quickly that fluid can move quickly right through the cartridge. I emailed the company indicating that would love to see no 'flow back'. This was the response that I got, "We do not guarantee the ink will not go in to the grips. If you flip your machine upside down during tattooing for a long time the ink may go into the grip. It can leak ink from the back cap of the cartridge. There is not a watertight seal in our cartridge. We know our product. We suggest you sterilize your grip if the leak happens, or sterilize your grip after each using. We have not a plan to manufacture the needle cartridges same as Cheyenne hawk."

If that is the case the should have a disclaimer indicating the issue rather just saying, " Needle Cartridges are compatible the Cheyenne Hawk machines."


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Posted by Luna13 from IP: 99.155.91.227 on 10/09/11

I'm confused.......whats the final verdict? yay or nay on T Tech? Hawk cartridges are killin my pockets. I LOVE my Hawk though. Just wish it were a little more user friendly when it comes to cost.


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Posted by Kandyman Joe from IP: 173.213.132.8 on 10/12/11
Fairfield, IA

I've been using the T-techs consistently for several months now and couldn't be happier with the results. I DO NOT use them on a Hawk, nor do I personally (in my humble opinion) recommend doing so. They may fit and work in the Hawk, but Cheyenne has made it clear that this is not supported and will void your Hawk warranty. Any ink flow back issue I have had has been minimal, and still much less than when it happens with a standard coil/tube setup. I clean and autoclave the grips every client. It seems silly not do so, regardless of what system you choose.

I HAVE used hawk cartridges in my cartridge system when I needed a configuration not available from T-Tech. This works fine, but I'm finding it to be less and less of an issue as T-Tech releases new configurations. It's like x-mas every time they do! I feel the customer service could use some polishing, and there's a bit of a language barrier, but they have made every effort to correct ordering issues.

For me, the main advantage T-Tech has is versatility. If I find myself in a pinch at a show that doesn't have a Hawk supplier, I can easily switch back to plain disposables for my machines. Price has very little to do with my choice of product. I find Hawk to be too proprietary of a system for my needs in the somewhat isolated Midwest.


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Posted by dtatguy from IP: 74.82.68.160 on 10/25/11
lincoln, ne, usa

I have used the ttech system personally for over 6 months. My boss has used them exclusively for as long. I like them, but I go by feel and sometime I just feel like a coil machine sometimes. Yeah, I only like the ttech with rotaries. They are spring loaded and give a traditional rotary (ie. Swiss, Neo, etc...) Some give which is exactly their real drawback versus coils, but with all the setup ease of a rotary. I always liked rotaries for shading, but not for lining. But with the ttech system, lining is smooth - like with a hawk. The precision like in makeup machines, but with industrial strength durability offered by the motors in the swiss and neo's. This is not an ad, to each his own. I am just offer one perspective.

We do sterilize the grip for each use. We discovered the difference w/o the membrane by filling the cartridge w/ water and holding upside down. The thing is you have to analyze the physics of how it'd travel up and then accumulate enough to come back down and make your own judgement. For me it's in the versatility of system. I like to use 3 or 4 setups for med to larger pieces and with the ttech that means 1 tube/grip versus 4 w/o ttech. So we sterilize with each use. To me it's nice at cleanup to toss retracted cartridges versuses loose needles. I don't like most disposable tubes except the expensive one's like tatsouls or those plastic & steel ones. So I still use steel when not using ttech, so it's less to clave when using ttech on more work. It's plastic, but it's a rigid, hard type plastic with nice guides on the mags that keep the grouping very precise. And the liners have a cool notch out making them kind of a cool mix between diamond and round w/ a bevel. They almost never spit or spray, not even if you crank your machine. It's super cool.


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Posted by dtatguy from IP: 98.16.152.118 on 10/26/11
lincoln, ne

forget to add why i don't like ttech with coil machines. because you have two springs working i feels way too soft unless you really crank up the machine. coil machines running like raped apes just doesn't work for me.


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Posted by DyrtiAl from IP: 108.201.217.50 on 11/13/11
South Lake Tahoe, CA

when i first started seeing the hawks at con's, i was intrigued. for about 30 seconds. up until i heard you had to buy their needles, their grips, their tips. cut throat marketing right there. the only people i knew who were using them were the ones who got everything for free from cheyenne. immediately lost all interest, but also immediately wondered which would be the first company to offer the same product for cheaper. t tech seems to be the one.


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Posted by Jasonstewart from IP: 192.148.117.110 on 12/24/11
Geelong,australia

ttech u want to see what it can do with coil machines then check my facebook page out jasonstewarttattooartist and have a look at the last 20 tattoos I have done in my twenty eleven folder and my mobile uploads and u will see that using coil machine with the ttechs that the tattoos come out far smoother and a lot soldier with coils then if u were using rotary machines and with less trauma to skin ,,,,,,,see for yourselves and if anyone has in questions fill free to ask
Cheers jason stewart (Shinto tattoos Australia)


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Posted by maohitattoo from IP: 46.6.98.53 on 05/26/12
las palmas

i have orderd a few ttech modules to try them, i am a hawk user since two years, the first hawk had not enough stroke for my way of working, now i have change to the new thunder last mount and a love it, but now the problem for me is the new liner needles; the tip is much to big, and some kind of half flat, like a magnum tip, i loose a lot of precision, the first hawk liner modules was great, a small exactly sized tip around the round needles, thats why i want to try the ttech modules, they look good on the foto. in my opinion cheyenne made a big mistake with those new round tips, anyway , thats my opinion and many surely love them. for magnums i really love the original cheyenne modules.


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Posted by saveyourscissors23 from IP: 107.5.244.63 on 09/22/12
flint, mi

At our shop we are having a little bit of trouble with the cartridges coming loose with the t-tech grips...if anyone else has had this problem is there any solution ideas?


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Posted by Superman from IP: 64.231.27.123 on 10/06/12

^^^^^^^^



Hey bro,


When you insert the cartridges, be sure to turn them "clockwise" when you snap them in, and give them a pull to make sure they are set. They will also go in "counterclockwise", but they tend to have a habit of coming loose or popping out after a few minutes of tattooing... so be sure that you set them by twisting them "clockwise" when you make the connection...

take care...

Stephen Stacey


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Posted by sureno from IP: 86.156.152.130 on 10/07/12
london, uk

my only experience with ttech was with a thunder and as much as i wanted to like them due to the price i couldn't...

1. i always felt the tension in the needle was slack compared to the official hawk cartridge and it just didnt make me comfortable

2. this was my biggest gripe, ttech simply have no barrier in their cartridge, after bigger pieces of colour and using the lighter water shades in my B&G the ink WOULD travel up the tube and contaminate the grip and in my opinion no matter how miniscule the amount that travelled up the stem i just wasnt prepared to continue using them


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Posted by Sinner85 from IP: 81.189.12.10 on 10/08/12
Vienna

i have a different Problem with both , the tech and the offical hawk catridges!

every time i use a rotary (Hawk,Neotat,...) i have to let the machine run and while it is running i have to put the catridges in!! if i put them in before running it doesn´t work!! hope everybody understand what i mean!???
i used the critical power station!

greetings


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Posted by marked from IP: 75.140.42.94 on 10/09/12
Reno, NV, USA

I know exactly what you mean and so does Cheyenne. They now sell the new cord with a jump converter in it to help with start up. Painful pleasures sells them and I think anyone else who sells hawk stuff has them too.


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Posted by DENIXXX from IP: 79.25.225.147 on 10/09/12

T-TECH are good quality CARTRIDGE, but yes have the problem about the ink flow up and contaminated the TUBE becouse no BARRIER

i don understand why they done do some barrier same as HAWK, maybe they develop something different but with same effect, in CHINA u can do easy this stupid barrier without any big cost,


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Posted by TattooJay from IP: 67.175.164.131 on 11/04/12
Chicago

The T-tech system works great, hawk style cartridge system without the hawk prices, it's also nice to beable to use them on any rotary machine of your choice. I did email them recently and word has it they are going to develop a fully disposible system that we may see in about 3 months.


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Posted by eph118 from IP: 75.140.42.94 on 11/05/12
Reno, NV, USA

T-Tech is cheap and dirty. I prefer to support the inventors instead of helping the knock offs. The cost you are saving is pennies when you consider your time here. You're time is why you switched from needles to a hawk in the first place, don't fall back into the same routine of price shopping for minimal savings and less quality. You spent the money on a hawk so you know quality don't regress and use inferior products with your quality machines. It's like hearing you guys bought a Lamborghini and then put 1980 style Cragars on it. In the long run when you burn your hawk out you don't have to try and lie to them when you want them to cover your warranty because you weren't using their cartridges.


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Posted by TattooJay from IP: 67.175.164.131 on 11/17/12
Chicago

T-tech is not a rip off, their cartridges are compleatly different from what Chyenne makes. T-Tech made it possible to use a cartrige system with any rotary. I agree if you own a Hawk use the hawk needles, they are the needles made for that machine. But if you have a different rotary and want to give the cartridge system a go, then T-Tech is a great option. Thier needles are sterile, so to say they are dirty is just not true.


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Posted by robertsavage from IP: 94.128.137.83 on 01/24/13
Kuwait

I have been using Cheyenne Thunder since April 2012 as well as the TTech needle...though I was really scared while using TTech needle on the Cheyenne while working on a huge toe to buttocks full leg piece one night i just saw the inks is going inside my cheyenne machine to the motordrive...so i stopped using the TTech needles on my cheyenne ...since then I just use original cheyenne needle because I am afraid that the warranty will be void according to cheyenne warning...on using non original needle....now I still use my TTech needles for my Spektra and other FKI coil machines...I am not saying this to promote anything...I just want to share real experiance here...thank you...


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Posted by bdoz from IP: 24.120.218.113 on 01/25/13
las vegas, NV

I don't like Ttech needles. The ink creeps up usually and not a fan of their tapers either. I still prefer the cheyenne cartridges over these guys even though it is a little more expensive. I think these ttech tips have some contamination issues. I personally would suggest to avoid them altogether.


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Posted by Streetfighter from IP: 188.230.134.100 on 02/16/13
Slovenia

Oh my God...I can't belive this shit, you must be kidding me right?....you're whining about prices of the needles...what the hell is your problem...you get 300$/€ or even more for a tattoo and maybe you waste 3 or 4 cartriges for it...and you still whine like a f*** bit*h how pricey they are...if you're that kind of a person who is a cheap ass mother**** then you should quit with tattooing and start drawing baby drawings with watercolors - couse watercolors are cheap ;)
You pay for Cheyenne Thunder machine for the whole set somewhere around 600€/$ and you're sorry for 10x cartriges for 20-30€/$...you must be kidding me...that's a real fortune there...yep...but hey...so, let's do the math:

Money you get for tattoo: 650€/$
Needle cartriges wasted: 4 (let's say: 5liner, 9 shader, 13mag curved, 27mag curved)
Price for 1 needle cartrige: 30$/€ :10 = 3€/$

So you spent 4 needles for 1 tattoo...that's somewhere between 12-15€/$. But you got 650€/$ for a tattoo.
650 - 15= 635€/$

OK to be fair lets count other stuff you waste for one tattoo...gloves, foil and other shit...maybe everything comes to 50€/$ and you still got clean 600€/$ in your pocket...what the fuck is your problem? I tell you what it is...

That's called being GREEDY!


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Posted by Streetfighter from IP: 188.230.134.100 on 02/17/13
Slovenia

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-7pa3cXtBRg

Here is another video about TTech ultra super duper awesome cartriges...way to go TTech ;)

And for the sake of your customers...just pay for the real deal so nobody will get hurt.

Greetings


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Posted by madcat302 from IP: 70.70.239.94 on 06/03/13
Vancoouver

Robertsavage, I agree. I have had the same problem with the T-Tech cartriges... I noticed the ink flowed up the grip and I think a tiny bit got in my drive!! I am now wondering how to sterilize the drive! Anyone, any suggestions??? Dry heat? Take it apart?


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Posted by madcat302 from IP: 70.70.239.94 on 06/03/13
Vancoouver

BTW, I am using the hawk thunder. And I wiped as much as I could with CaviCide... But I don't want to take a chance...


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Posted by madcat302 from IP: 70.70.239.94 on 06/03/13
Vancoouver

BTW, I am using the hawk thunder. And I wiped as much as I could with CaviCide... But I don't want to take a chance...


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Posted by toidi from IP: 91.19.24.127 on 06/04/13
germany

the same shit happens with the original hawk cartridges either.


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Posted by Adrian lazo from IP: 69.22.3.82 on 06/04/13
pharr,tx us.

after finally getting to use t-tech i found that my hybrids could not run them and that was the reason that i was curious to find out more about them.But since neuma fell off the face of the earth i switched to cheyenne thunder and must say im not a fan of t tech and much rather use the cheyenne needles and pay what they cost besides how much dont u make out of a tattoo if u find the need to bitch on the price then ur no better than the customers people complain about when they are looking for a cheaper price i feel that t tech dose not have the feel of the cheyenne and like the cheyenne way more t tech does not have a good grip on change out aswell


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Posted by patm80 from IP: 122.106.169.242 on 06/04/13
Australia

Inkjecta makes grips for cartridge systems that can be used on any machine and sell for about 30$ they are stainless steel and can be autoclaved and come in various colours and are top quality.


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Posted by j.g. from IP: 216.172.147.175 on 06/05/13

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sorry to ask a maybe very stupid question, but what's the point in using a cartridge system on any other machine than a cheyenne or maybe another machine where you just can't avoid it and then have to autoclave a special grip, instead of using way less expensive completely disposable stuff without the hassle of autoclaving? or just sticking to the old completely stainless grip/tip-combos including all the autoclaving job?

i simply don't quite get the point. it would make sense if the cartridges were less expensive than a completely disposable set, but the other way round it sounds like another quite a bit ridiculous attempt to pull a lot more money out of the pockets of hard working people. besides that- a cartridge system wouldn't even save money or time via using less coil machines for a single tattoo, as you have the hassle of readjusting the set points on your power supply with keeping the same machine but using different cartridges. if you got a power supply with presets it is completely useless- then you can use more machines and be way faster than with changing cartridges.

so please enlighten me and tell me wtf for i should buy expensive stuff that will slow me down.


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Posted by toreodor from IP: 24.29.79.186 on 06/12/13
ny

in my own opinion:
there isn't.

If i were to travel, adn carry one machine that can do it all, then swaping needle groups would be easier, less expensive considering the aseptic bonus of cleaning one machine. Then there is the need to steralive the one grip as you pointed out.
There is a such thing as chemical sterilization, but that may be a regeonal thing.

Sinch some powerful rotaries can do it all, then they are the only likely machine to work for this, again that's my opinion.
I run multipal machines with multipal settings per group intentionaly. So i was really excited about this idea, but instead of investing in a cartrige system, i bought and autoclave.
Later when i have more funds maybe I'll go back to throw aways.


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Posted by j.g. from IP: 216.172.147.105 on 06/13/13

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i'm travelling rather often- without car- and i personally think, it doesn't make much difference in weight carrying around at least 5 machines and very light disposals- i wouldn't do that with an autoclave (too heavy even in the smallest versions) and everything else with chemicals is definitely NOT sterilisation but desinfection- and that's not enough.

if you would have only one machine- what would do if it fucks up (murphy's law) seriously on the road?

so i think, even when it sounds like a good idea for your homebase- i still have serious doubts- it is absolutely crap for the road.


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Posted by JR from IP: 134.176.179.246 on 07/11/13
Germany

Hi there!
We recently purchased the cheyenne flex grip for our machines for the reason that you now need a certificate for the autoclave in Germany. To have this you have to spend between 500-800 Euros on a weekend course and you have to buy tests you have to sterilize every month and send to the health authorities. I dont like the cheyenne machine, as I is not versatile (whip shades soft shades) for traditionals or blackngray or realism. So now I can use my micky Sharpz line-o-graph with the cheyenne tube and my swiss rotary for whip shades and colour and a skin2 for soft shades. I dont care about the time issue, I only care about the fact that you can buzz the tubes in the sonic cleaner and dont need the autoclave. disposable tubes are just too light for me to use with a solid coil machine. It hurts my hand and the vibrations are just too strong. But one warning: the flex grip costs 150 euros and doesnt fit into a lineograph and simlar coils, a the needle bar is too short. You need a fixed grip for 20 euros for these. Now I dont know why I bought a flex grip in the first place, as the fixed on is ok on every machine
Greetings
james


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Posted by Kashif Brooks from IP: 208.54.87.250 on 08/07/13
NJ

I just recently purchased the Cheyenne "Flex Grip" and 10 minutes into the tattoo the spring in the cartridge stopped working...the neddle no longer retracted on its own...These are were a grouping of 13mag by the Cheyenne company....I run my shader on 6.5 volts....I then applied another 13 mag and it happened again at 6.1 volts...are these faulty cartridges, or is that still too high for the flex grip on a coil machine?

Please help me figure this out.


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Posted by Adrian lazo from IP: 69.22.3.66 on 08/07/13
United States

flex grip with coils does not have the same hit nor feel of a rotary .The hit off a coil with that grip is making the machine work more than with conventional tube and needle the return in side the cheyenne needle is bringing the needle back up to quick and the give in the coil dont work well with each other i would only recommend use on rotaries.I have the flex grip and found out that the grip is not good for ur coils it will turn easily if the grip is adjustable and the weight of machine is more than that of the cheyenne i have tired with different rotaries and have had better results. the coil having a spring on it is needing more volts to allow the spring to push the cartridge return down thus in return coming back sooner than regular so there it makes the spring work more thus needing more volts to push needle and then u wont get the right hit this is from my experience only there may be opinions that may differ hope this helps


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Posted by wilsonrl78@yahoo.com from IP: 69.205.235.160 on 08/07/13
elmira ny usa

the owner of our shop is always trying new machines in an effort to help his tattooing improve. he picked up the hawk thunder and loved it. he let me line a piece with it and i loved how smooth that thing lined! It really wasn't the machine i was digging though (its just another rotary as far as i can see, plus it works like shit with most power supplies but there's ), it was the needle cartridge I really liked . but at 3$ a pop it seemed a bit pricy. so i looked up there competitors and found t-tech. let me say that i was totally impressed with their working mans price of about a buck a pop for their cartridges. they line flawlessly and the bugpin mags are top notch as well. i use them with my coil machines exclusively and have had 0 problems, as a matter of fact i'm making the slow transition to just t-tech cartridges. my only complaint would be that they are always sold out of the regular bugpin mags.


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Posted by ZYM from IP: 83.77.1.182 on 09/12/13
Dietikon,Switzerland

Have to say that cheyenne cartridges are bit
sh***y last time. From last 3 boxes purchased
had to throw at least 6 in garbage which were
totally usless. It could be great if this company
would be so honest to give some kind of guarantee
on each and send new ones.
I hope some day that come out someone who can
beat them with price and quality.
Never had problems with t-tech and leaking ink
inside tube.


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Posted by patm80 from IP: 122.106.169.242 on 09/15/13
Australia

because Cheyenne use the rubber membrane as the spring if the needles are pushed out too far it simply snaps like a rubber band and the cartridge is fucked and can no longer be used so if you do use hawk cartridges don't let your needles hang too much or they will break


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Posted by samw.mso@gmail.com from IP: 184.10.6.46 on 09/19/13

It seems like a lot of people here are missing the point.

The T Tech system is totally viable and sterile. You snap a cartridge into a steel tube and tattoo with it, then throw out the cartridge (sharps) and autoclave the tube.
Simple and clean.

It IS really irresponsible of T Tech to advertise their cartridges as compatible with the Hawk, because the fact that the cartridges are not sealed, while totally safe and viable with an autoclavable tube, is actually a cross contamination issue when used with the hawk, and probably not great for the internal components which I assume are not meant to be exposed to liquid.

Cheyenne; stop whining and deriding T Tech as a "Fake Off" as in that lame, celebrified infomercial. Explain plainly and clearly to your customers why the Hawk should only be used with the Cheyenne cartridges (because your cartridges are sealed, and T Tech's are not, compromising the sterility and integrity of the machine)
Its an honest, important point and mudslinging just makes you look bad.

Interestingly enough, since your cartridges are compatible and safe with the T Tech system you have more of a legitimate opportunity to sell to their customers than they do yours.

T Tech; stop advertising your cartridges as compatible with the Hawk. It's unsafe to encourage people to use them that way and undermines your credibility in the industry. Market your product strictly as a self contained system and no one can complain.

Focus on improving your system and making it appealing on its own. Stop riding coat tails, it just makes you look bad.


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Posted by Ismael Zavala from IP: 108.82.32.145 on 11/09/13
Anaheim, Ca

Sorry to bump up this old topic.

I run coil machines with a long stroke and the tip of my liner needles hanging out just a bit. Is this possible with the ttech system? If so are there any drawbacks as far as feel or anything like that?

Petty much using disposables only right now but I do miss the weight/ feel of steel

Thanks


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Posted by ArtbyTonho from IP: 173.2.64.148 on 11/09/13
Harrison, Nj

I love that needles.. but it is out stock always!!


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Posted by classic rob from IP: 49.183.217.71 on 11/16/13
adelaide south australia

can anyone tell me where to purchase t tech needles cartridges to be posted to australia?


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Posted by patm80 from IP: 122.106.169.242 on 11/17/13
nsw

I spoke with bs tattoo and protat and they both said ttech isn't excepting any distributers at this time so you just have to order straight from t tech but the shipping to oz is crazy


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Posted by classic rob from IP: 49.183.167.151 on 11/17/13
adelaide south australia

saw the price of postage to aus, crazy shit. t tech must be missing out on lots of business over here. a work mate tried the white hawk brand cartridges which are cheaper but still genuine hawk items, but had problems with cartridges breaking mid tattoo. ends up cheaper to buy the expensive ones.


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Posted by josh from IP: 75.102.168.88 on 01/12/14
midwest

how bout options and what other grips have this same ability i would love to try one. i use rotary's all day every day and this option sounds really nice i miss the weight of a grip and knowing that you can do a piece with just one machine ........ whatever the deal is i can see the wave of the future ~ now finding a happy medium of cost and quality for the working artist ~ thanks for the post


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Posted by ae76 from IP: 98.208.185.33 on 04/21/14
florida

http://site.mtderm.de

this link is to the company that makes hawk. they make high perm cosmetic tattoo equipment. the amount of development they put into their products is amazing.


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Posted by Danzy from IP: 24.29.251.215 on 04/22/14
Oh

Ttechtattoo out of stock all grips? Wtf?
Do the tips work in regular grips?
Anybody know when they are stocking more?
They don't have distributors either


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Posted by Ser Markese from IP: 198.228.200.26 on 06/08/14
Schenectady, NY, USA

I for one have not used either but have been doing research on cartridges and found that:
cheyenne has too many barbed needles which is in excusable being so expensive you expect high quality (There is no remedy for this)
Ttechs issue is the lack of a seal causing back flow into the grip. Which can also happen using conventional tubes (never happened to me but is possible). But tatsoul has the wrath disposable cartridge tubes. True tubes will soon be providing disposable cartridge tubes as well.

Being that I travel and don't drag around an autoclave nor have the means to throw away money on barbed needles. I am investing in an Inkjecta vice, wrath disposable cartridge tubes, and Ttech cartridges. Lightening my luggage vastly. No more 5 boxes of needles 5 boxes of coinciding tubes 5 machines.


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