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Bob Tyrell grey wash set vs Silverback grey was set - -1

Anyone have experience with these two wash sets? Im debating between the two,Ive heard great things about the silverback but not much about the Tyrell set. Any feedback would be appreciated


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RE:Bob Tyrell grey wash set vs Silverback grey was set - -1

I've used both and seems to me that the Bob Tyrell set was a little dark. I had the best results though when I started using the light shades of the silverbacks and used the darker shades of Bob Tyrells. Get them both and work your own system out combining the two. They each have their strengths. I also liked how the Tyrell set comes with a breakdown of two ways on how to use them.

-Kane
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RE:Bob Tyrell grey wash set vs Silverback grey was set - -1

Hello!

I watched a friend of mine using the Bob Tyrell set!!

He said that it is so dark you can use the light tone for your normally darks!! crazy.....

dont know how Bob Tyrell can achieve that result with this set!?

greetings
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RE:Bob Tyrell grey wash set vs Silverback grey was set - -1

thats interesting question "does bob tyrell even use this set himeself?"
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RE:Bob Tyrell grey wash set vs Silverback grey was set - -1

Took bobs seminar back in February. He said he still uses pelican. Which is difficult to get ahold of. He said he can use his set just fine though.
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RE:Bob Tyrell grey wash set vs Silverback grey was set - -1

pelikan doesnt want their product sold to the tattoo industry. its easy enough to find, just not from 'conventional' sources. so the question is more about if you are WILLING to use it... sometimes a hazardous item/ingredient will fall under 'trade-secrets' and be omitted from the ingredients... ESPECIALLY if the product is not supposed to be used for internal human applications they can do this. just a thought
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RE:Bob Tyrell grey wash set vs Silverback grey was set - -1

meant to add...... if a manufacturer, whose main purpose is to make money, tries to avoid human applications of their product.. it is prolly an attempt to make sure that if they do get sued, by someone who used said product for a human application, they can show in a court of law that they tried to avoid that market altogether. remember that LEAD is accumulative, but some heavy metals can be or can become radioactive under the right circumstances. plus not all polymers are created equal, neither. ok, now im done.
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RE:Bob Tyrell grey wash set vs Silverback grey was set - -1

i know pelikan and talens have been used in the tattoo industry for a long time and im fully aware its not intended for tattooing (it even states that in their bottles).. i guess what my question is (just out of curiosity) - has there been any bad cases in history while using talens or pelikan??
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RE:Bob Tyrell grey wash set vs Silverback grey was set - -1

i used pelikan 17 for ages and never had any problems or clients' complaints. i only stopped using it, because it became way cheaper to buy readymade blacks and there was no more fiddling around with boiling it down to thicker black. it always turned out fine deep black and the selfmade washes were also good. all the new blacks are imho not "blacker".
i still mix my own wash system from the new blacks and i do it with distilled water and not with witch hazel, because i had clients reacting allergic and i don't want to hassle around with extra testing time/dates on every client. so i think, its better to do it myself instead of hoping that there's water in readymade greywashes instead of witch hazel. besides that i think most greywashes are way too expensive for watered down black compared to the price of the uncut black.
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RE:Bob Tyrell grey wash set vs Silverback grey was set - -1

I've used the tyrell set, and find it way to dark to use as directed, but the eternal graywash set is spot on for my style, a lot lighter, a lot more control over the shading.
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RE:Bob Tyrell grey wash set vs Silverback grey was set - -1

I like and use Silverback but find it very light. I mix two darker shades myself with Intenze Zuper black and the 4x silverback. I guess it's all personal preference. I think I'm going to get me some some Tyrell - sounds like it has the darks I like.
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RE:Bob Tyrell grey wash set vs Silverback grey was set - -1

I helped to develop the gray wash system for ELECTRA PRO INK ,based on the proportions/percents that i've pre mixed myself for years. It is very important that this washes cover the whole value spectrum from ABSOLUTE DARK (100% solid black) to almost ABSOLUTE LIGHT (0%, skin break ) with smooth transitions between them, like the gears in a manual car or motorcycle. So you want your Black to be the darkest possible, then your next wash (#4 in silver back and electra) to be slightly lighter when it HEALS at full saturation, same for the next and so on until u your lightest , that at full saturation should be slightly darker than the skin.
You also want to keep it simple so 3 or 4 washes are more than enough.
So i ran tests and compared the main brands out there, just to check.
And Silver Back is pretty close to what i ve been using and what Electra is now, a smooth transition between 100% black (solid black) all the way through a little under 10% ( wash #1)
The Bob Tyrell's i found that even the lightest shade is pretty dark definitely over the 30%.
Which makes it very very difficult to work with, specially to get those super light shades. You can accomplish that by having a super soft, slow hitting machine with a lot of "give".
So for the most you would mostly be tattooing very slow , making sure u don't fuck up and having a little anxiety attack every time u wipe out. You will be tattooing in fear!!
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