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I prefer the least amount of give possible nowadays(when using rotaries). If you have a machine that is putting the ink in perfectly with no give, then why would you need the give?

and with coils?
i see you work with coil and your coil have a lot of giveness

would not having some give make blending smoother ? or would you say that is more to do with the amout of throw on the needle or the voltage the machine is run at?

Brandon Bond, says control your give with less tension on the skin...i might not be re quoting that exactly as he said it, but you get the idea..like Mike says, he basically sets his machines for No Give in some cases.
its all about knowing the tools you use..

i agree it is about knowing the tools you use . but the whole 'no give' fad is pretty new , coils and most rotarys have always had adjustable give . having no give cuts down on variables but without give blending / layering must be more difficult , would you not risk casuing too much samage to the surface just runnig your machine hard

give is an ilusion
damage is related with technique not give
for me,blending or layering dont exist,is all about put ink in the skin efeciently
leike i sayd before mike tattoo mutch better now,and in the near future i hope see him back to coils and make mutch better tattoo´s
rotarys is for "girls"

From my experience all the people Ive been tattooed by who are known for the smooth blends have all used jack hammer like machines. If your using coils that are more of positive of a hit its easier to put the dots into the skin at the level you want. Try getting those dots to fan out with a soft hitting machine. With a rotary with no give you have total control of where the dots go and how big they are. I've been using rotarys for about five months now and i love it. I used to use coils that almost ran like rotarys but because I could. I always tinkered with them even if they didn't need to be tinkered with. I probably had some heals that were not where they should have been because of this tinkering. Also with machines like the neotat and bishop with needle clips ink flow is always 100 percent the same. I've noticed that some times with other machines ink isn't always flowing as good as it could be which affects the number of passes over the skin. I can develop my style around something that is the exact same every time. I still line with a coil but haven't touched a coil for anything else.

give is an illusion .....?....seriously ......

dont be bitching about rotarys when you dont understand them

that rigth sonny
give is an ilusion for kids buy rotarys and stigma,dragonfly and some others make easy money

ssooooooo kids use rotarys?

wonder what mike would say about that lol . considering he uses them and sells them

and david corden hes just crap damm his dragonflys
alex de pase .......gotta be a nerd using stigmas
cecil porter? ....must be a child playimng with dragonflys
Jaromir Mucowski......he must just liek their colours
john anderton....he wasnt just voted best uk male artist

STOP TALKING CRAP!! you simple minded fool

in my opinion stigma is one from the best machines ever made on this planet,so dont talk bad about somthing that you realy dont know or didnt tested .try before se the diference and speack after!

sing the praise :D

HELLO

many ROTARY are good now on the market, and some people like more with GIVE and someone like more NO GIVE, RIGID like old school rotary, at the end is important how the tattoo come out, tha's all,
GOOD TATTOO ARTIST DONE GOOD TATTOO WITH ANY MACHINE, BUT OF COURSE A GOOD MACHINE SOMETIME GONNA MAKE THE LIFE MORE EASY

one important thing to understand is, the traditional coils machines they have some GIVE, depend how u tuned, so the ROTARY machines with GIVE they more similar to coils, and also the ROTARY with GIVE system u can choose with or without GIVE, no problem

ARTEMIS the owner of STYGMA is the man that change the concept of ROTARY MACHINES when invented the GIVE SYSTEM, is a GENIUS, is the first one do this

big respect for him....

i can tattoo with give,with no give ,with a top rated coil machine,with a chinese machine
all depend of what you call a good tattoo

so a better question is what is give?
and for what is needed