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Next Gen Machines

I purchased two machines at the Philadelphia convention. The ran fine when I tested them there. Got the back the shop, loaded them up...and they are shit. Ran fine for 5 min, then had to add a volt...etc. Figured it was the capacitors, nope. Figured it might be the springs, because sometimes eikon springs tarnish up fast, nope. Replaced the coils, nope, replaced every damn thing on the machine aside from the frame, nope. I have many years experience with setting up and maintaining machines. I bought these for my apprentice as a present for completing his slavery. But now I am out 500$

Took the coils from the original setup and put them on a spare machine...perfect.

Horrible customer service. The fact that I replaced so much and altered the machine, I figure even if I got a hold of the ONE dude...he wouldn't honor the warranty.

So this post is for two things. If there is any true builders out there who wanna take a shot. Do you think it is the material in the frame that is causing the parasitic voltage lose?

Do not buy these machines. I have search around and called up some other artists...they have had the same experiences. I have half a mind to attend every east coast show and stand by their booth and convince people to not buy their crap. Not to mention, they sell to scratchers!


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I had one for a bit. When I got it it was pulling ink up the tube and falling all over the coils. They charged me $20 plus shipping to fix it. I could never get it to run consistently well. I figured it was the bolt together frame shifting slightly, but I have no idea. I sold the damn thing on ebay for a hundred less then I paid, just to get rid of the paper weight. They customer service was shitty and they acted like I was an idiot who didn't know what I was talking about till I sent them pictures of green ink spilling out all over my coils during a tattoo.
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That sounds like a strange issue indeed. I have left both emails and voicemails...no reply. I have them hangin on the private room doors as door knockers. Utter disappointment in the product. I will swear by Ernie D machines and Swashdrive...love the whip.
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This machines are great just changed contact screws
and adjusted spring tension.Last two years did not tuned them. They work the same all time.
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WOW...
I have had nothing but luck with mine...
bought lots of extra parts as I prefer the half coils
I have 7 or the orions and I love them, the shipping was fast
really can not say anything bad about them
I believe i spoke with jarrett on the phone each time and dude was more than helpful
I have also spoke with guy as well and he seemed a bit harsh at first but all in all he seemed to be a pretty cool dude as well

sorry you all have had issues with yours..
I am always in the market for these machines for i love them
i also have one of the custom carved ones from joe ryan (junebug) and i have to say they are all top notch.
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I have two orions and two eclipses and have never had a problem with any of them.
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i actually had an issue when I first got my eclipse. I ended up sending it back. The issue was the capacitor was screwy. None the less when I got it back it ran really fucking awesome. The other thing I did was just switch the contact screw to a silver one because I was getting loss of power from the brass screw. Now it really runs fucking awesome. I am sorry you had shitty luck with your dude, that sucks, but I do know the feeling. Plus, Jared is a fucking stellar dude.
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I figured out the problem with some help from an old friend Ernie D from DeluxeIrons. I almost felt silly asking for help when it wasn't one of his. But anyways, due to the material of the machine it was becoming magnetized by the EMF. So pretty much scraped the damn thing.
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^^^^
Well that's strange cause I have seven that work great...
Along with tons and tons of other artists who use them all the time with nothing but great results...

Not saying it can't happen.
But any machine especially in the hands of someone with the know how could easily get it working in tip top shape no problems at all.
Sorry you did not have the same luck myself and tons of others have had.
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So you are trying to tell me that Ernie Delaperuto (DeluxeIrons), has NO idea on how to build/tune a machine.? What shit are you smoking? Don't try to deface myself or ErnieD with your " I replaced my own springs" attitude.

The problem has NOTHING to do with tuning, or parts. It has to do with the frames of BOTH machines I purchased.

Glad you have luck with yours, but mine are defective. Also, the customer service or lack there of is sketchy to say the least.

Won't recommend them!
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Whoa....
Dude chill, sounds like your making a plug for those dudes...

and for the record I don't smoke at all ;-)
So yeah I have to continue to say:
I'm sure in the right hands with someone who has the know how how they can be built into fine running machines
you think Aitchison would have used them if they were junk?
I think not. along with tons of us other artists who use them on a daily basis with no problems???

Different strokes for different folks..
all I'm saying is I have had lots of luck with them and have never had a problem with there customer service.
Sorry you did.
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Oh and just for the record...
I have spent a few years now building and tuning different machines
So I'm a bit more experienced than just a "change the spring and fiddle with the contact screw" kinda guy.

Normally when I buy or build a machine I let it run empty for about a hour..
Any machine
You will be able to hear many fluctuations in the machines pitch during that time before it evens out.

Sounds to me like they did not run the way you wanted them to out of the box.
and that probably caused for the bitter resentment.
I may be wrong though.
who knows
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Yeah obviously they can put out a quality machine, lots of amazing artist have and still do use them, but for whatever reason the one I got wasn't doing it for me. I always run my machines for a few hours before tattooing with them and it never made a difference. It wasn't a completely crap machine, I just felt like I was always fighting with it. And having to pay them to fix the machine spitting ink everywhere was just annoying. I gave it a chance for a few months. I know people that like their next gens, but my experience wasn't pleasant.
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as for the machines ive never used them so i dont have an opinion there but for the ink spitting problem ive had it happen before with different machines and if ur the kinda guy that likes to build or tune his own machines then get a abar alignment tool and make sure its mounted perfectly in line with the tube and also just the way u bend ur needles for each machine can make a huge difference on how the ink feeds into the tube. just get a bright color and play with different bends on it till it is flowing how u want
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I let them run at the show for a good 10 minutes...they ran fine.
Got them to the shop, ran fine. I loaded them, and they ran ok for around 5 minutes. I had to increase the voltage. Did this through the outline, and set it aside. After I finished the the tattoo, I had to a chance to inspect it. The contact screw was tarnished and a blemish was starting to develop on the front spring. In the past, I have purchased some Eikon springs that had oil residue on the spring. So I cleaned it, filed the point and cleaned it off. Ran ok, (unloaded). Loaded it up and it started to chop and cut out again. Thought it was the capacitor. Change that to a new 22uf. Same issue. Thought maybe a coil became bad...replaced with a new set of Eikon coils. Same issue. Thought possibly those coild were bad as well. Took a set of my daily driver. Same issue. Replaced the contact housing and used silver screw, same issue. Used a mini coil set and used a yoke, same issue.
It wasn't until ErnieD looked at it that I fully understood the working of it. It wasn't that the machine was running correctly, it was magnetizing the entire machine. After a 45minute run, well after the machine had stopped cycling
He picked up a 4oz piece of steel. FRAME CRAP!!!
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Hmmmmm
That does sound strange.
Only two of the Orion's I have are the steel versions
One being a full coil I use for lining (I will admit though I don't use it
All too often) and the other is a half coil that I got from kavemetalworks (joe ryan AKA junebug)
I will also say that I seem to reach for my aluminum half coil more often so the frame being steel may have some issues.

If your interested in selling just the frames I may be interested in them...
Think it over and feel free to shoot me a email if your interested in going that route.
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They are classy looking door knockers on the private rooms at the moment hahaha. But if you are interested, email me
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I have two aluminum Orion machines and they work fine. I did have to send my shader back once because the capacitor gave out(they honor the warranty if you dont make modifications to the machine for $20) but I need to point out that this happened while I was using a crappy made in China power supply. So I bought an eikon300 power supply and havent had a problem since. Jared mentioned something bout the machines requiring a particular amount of amperage(or above, cant remember the specific number of amps) from the power supply being used for these machines to run correctly. Hope this helps
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I have never used anything but an EMS300. I was gonna try out the critical supply, but might as well go with what has worked for years
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I have the ems 300
and when the ems 400 hit the scene i had some extra cash so i jumped.

however I do like the critical supplies
i think it has a cleaner look and i like the mounting options
i think im actually talking myself into one as I type
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old post here....
but if I can I would like to post some new light..
I have since sold my steel orion.
BUT....
I have taken the coil covers off a few next gen full coils
was gonna do some custom wraps on them...
WELL....
out of the 2 sets I unwrapped both had some winding issues...
I still use some orions but I was pretty surprised to see the coild not wound as well as you would think...
Im looking to grab up a keith B machine some time soon...
I really like the stuff Im seeing from him.
grabbed up a FK pyro frame that was built up with soba parts
I need to tweak it a bit cause I like working with traditional 9s

just though I would add to this
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