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DRAGONFLY

CHECK OUT INK MACHINES DRAGONFLY ROTARY.I HAVE USED STIGMA`S FOR YEARS . AND I CAME ACROSS THESE MACHINES CALLED DRAGONFLY SIMILAR TO THE BIZARRE .HAVE GOT NOTHING AGAINST STIGMA THEMSELVES . IT`S JUST I PUT IN AN ORDER WITH ONE OF THERE RESELLERS AND NEVER GOT AN ANSWER.SO I LOOKED ELSEWHERE.MACHINES ARE 375 EUEOS AND 20 EUROS POSTAGE MACHINES COME IN 5 COLORS .I BOUGHT 3 AND THEY GOT HERE TO AUSTRALIA FROM SWEDEN IN 5 WORKING DAYS .VERY HAPPY


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i have one of these and have been using it for about a month now and really like it.
http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t201/kontrolthechaos/Picture403.jpg
http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t201/kontrolthechaos/Picture395.jpg
i just did this last night with it.
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the dragonfly is basically a Bizarre...both have linear motion and dampening...except the dragonfly has a lot of parts on it which makes me wonder if that can cause more problems down the road. it is interesting, the design with no rubber bands needed...how do you guys find that design? or do you use rubber bands anyways?

troy
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i like the design cuz with a rubber band u just have the tension that the rubber band is. this allows you to adjust the tension. im really scared to drop the machine though cuz of all the little parts.lol no one ever wants to drop any machine but shit happens. i was going to buy a stigma but after reading joe capo's review i decided to try somthing diff. if i recal right he said that it seems the machine has not give or a little give. that it is really that adjustable. it really seems like the dragonfly is more sensative. im really happy with it. i havnt used it a whole lot for lining. when i buy a second one i will mess around more with it for lining
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hi controlthechaos,
I have to defend myself, you are giving some wrong informations to the readers of this forum, Joe capobianco says in his actual stigma review : By opening the screw up, you’ve enough give for a keen shader.I just copy pasted this text from his website.
Some artists that have tried both machines the Dragonfly and the Hyper are saying that the Hyper is able to hit softer.
Artemis from Stigma-rotary-tattoo.com
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TO DEFEND MYSELF this is a copy and past right from the article. this is exactly what joe said.
4. The stroke length is not quite the length I normally like, but it was pretty good. It would be cool if you could have a bit more control over the play in the stroke. Like I stated earlier upon loosening the screw, this will give you a bit of play on the hit of the machine. Sort of a fine tuning. It seems you either have give (for shading), or you do not.
witch anyone that can read would realize that this means its not that adjustable. im not saying you have a bad product. i came very close to buying one but decided that i was going to give something else a try. all i no is that my dragonfly seems to have good adjustablity i can gave alot of give medium give or no give. i dont really like the no give. i sold my hawk cuz i didnt really suit my stlye of tattooing.
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I own 2 Dragonfly & use them for travel. I normally use N2 pneumatic machines & I find they have similar performance. Very happy with them.
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has anyone tried the bishop rotary? i just got it last week and have the hyper stigma and also the stealth. i am a firm believer in rotary machines being superior over old fashion coils and have used rotaries for almost 5 years and the bishop so far packs in the smoothest color and grey work out of all rotaries i own and my new rotary machine of choice. i havent seen much about the bishop online and wondering if anyone else has tried them. they kik ass!
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HEY

i ceck in internet about that BISHOP ROTARY, FRANCO VESCOVI sale that, look like the one from BLITZ, is normal rotary, don have any GIVE, so i don really see nothing special, for sure gonna work fine, but almost like any other rotary without GIVE

MY OPINION...
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ive got one dragon fly and the machine have a screw on top that make the give
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Hey cartagenas you say you have a bishop and a stigma? I've watched Francos DVD and seen him rubbing back and forth with a mag and had it heal with ease. If that was a regular rotary it would have scarred the guy for sure. Does the bishop have a give like the stig?
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yes i hav seen that dvd also and talked w him about the healing process. people talk abput "give" and how it helps tattoo process but the main issue isnt wether the a rotary machine has give, it all has to do with the artist slowing down his movement and depth and knowing how to tattoo. "give"??? what really is that?? any decent artist will tell u that ur handspeed is far more important than give. and the bishopp machine seems to have a little less give than the stigma but that is what seems to make the tattoos heal faster cuz it requires less passes of the needles and this means less trama to get the desired effect. i do like the stigma as my other choice but prefer the bishopp only because the hit and stroke seem to really pack in the ink. i have also tried the stealth and thats garbage. havent tried the dragonfly but it looks cool.
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youre rigth,but with less passages you never cant get a realistic effect like mike devries or cecil porter and others

cheers
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not entirely true. u can achieve that creamy effect with either 10 solid passes as well as 15 not so solid passes like a coil or a rotary with too much give. either way works. BUT PLEASE KNOW THAT 15 NOT SO DEEP PASSES TO ACHEIVE THIS EFFECT ALSO MAKES THE COLORED TATTOO FADE QUICKER DUE TO THE HITS NOT BEING DEEP ENUFF>>THIS IS A COMMON MISTAKE MADE.. also with less passes and the desired effect achieved, the tattoo will heal faster and less scarring. i have told friends that any good rotary machine still requires that the user get to perform at least 10 to 15 tattos before the "rotary spirit" kicks in and then one will become another rotary convert!!
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not entirely true. u can achieve that creamy effect with either 10 solid passes as well as 15 not so solid passes like a coil or a rotary with too much give. either way works. BUT PLEASE KNOW THAT 15 NOT SO DEEP PASSES TO ACHEIVE THIS EFFECT ALSO MAKES THE COLORED TATTOO FADE QUICKER DUE TO THE HITS NOT BEING DEEP ENUFF>>THIS IS A COMMON MISTAKE MADE.. also with less passes and the desired effect achieved, the tattoo will heal faster and less scarring. i have told friends that any good rotary machine still requires that the user get to perform at least 10 to 15 tattos before the "rotary spirit" kicks in and then one will become another rotary convert!!
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Cartagenas asks "What is Give?" I'm sure he knows what it is but I'll say it again. The Give on these machines is to mimic the hit of a coil machine, when the needle hits the skin it kinda backs off as its still hitting the skin. I think having Give on these Rotaries is KEY. But sometimes i'll run into situations where I don't want any Give and Ill turn my screw knob all the way in and then I have a Rotary just like the Bishop,Hawk or most other Rotaries where there isn't to much Give. Thats why I like the Stigmas so much is because you can have the option of having Give or no Give.
I really haven't said anything about the Fly yet on my forum but I have been using it a lot and really like it... I wish it was a little bit lighter but the way it runs makes up for it. Plus having the option of changing the Stroke out is awesome. I have been liking it with the short stroke, I think it works killer for color and even more so for Black and Grey. Just my opinion anyways!!
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overall i can say it theres more than one way to skin a cat and i suppose both theories work. i never cared for give on my coils and i still use the swash drive for that reason as well as biship or the stealth. but i must say the syealth doesnt seem to be a quality made rotary. my boss just got the fly and i got to use it recently and i agree it kicks ass biut i didnt find it to weigh alot. i think it is as light as my stigma, just a touch more unbalanced cuz its not entirely upright like stigma. . all in all those 3 are my favorits..no more coils!!! also the older model swash machine works well to outline
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Yeah I guess I said that wrong, the weight isn't so much the issue, it is the balance or bulkiness on the bottom end, but really, it isn't bad at all, thats just if I had to pick it apart I would like to see it smaller maybe. Its still a lot smaller than the Hybrid though. But all and all I'm stoked on the machine!!
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but i can say the stigma is very hard to purchase and they not reply any problem or customer service is very bad........i'm saying this is not to make any issue but the stigma company really don;t give a good marketing
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My experience with stigma customer service was excellent, had an issue with the slide heating up and called them directly and explained my concerns and they had two new slides of slightly different sizes sent to deal with the issue within a few days and were in constant email contact to see how things progressed.
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yes i agree with you cartagenas,a tattoo make with a lot of give never stay so long in the skin like made with solid passages.
but the market want smooth creamy tattoos and photograph efect.

do you have any problem with swahdrive with the ink go up in the tube?this happen to me a lot with traditional rotarys
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